Josh Bilicki Returns to Talk Racing at Road America, 2022 NASCAR Race Season

Introduction

Adam: Good — WiLL Cast number 39 was with our friend Josh Bilicki.

Becca: Only a three-peat. He is a
three-peat guest. He just shows up every 15 episodes or so and gives us a
little life update on what's going on with him. He's always busy — always busy
racing, busy finding partnerships. We caught him on an off weekend.

Adam: Which, I think, is coming off of
a very busy week. He was nice enough to have us back as an associate sponsor at
Road America for the Fourth of July weekend. He did double duty that weekend —
he ran the Xfinity race and the Cup race.

Becca: And you were there. We had a
nice crew. The weather was great. As you'll see from the episode, I did have a
pretty nice sunburn.

Adam: That's Road America in the
summer. Bratwurst and sun, just baking out there. But yeah, we touched on just
kind of the experience of shifting back and forth between two different types
of cars — whether it's the transmission in one car versus the other, Xfinity
versus Cup, how he prepares for a weekend.

Becca: And shout-out Sargento.

Adam: Connect with possibly a new
sponsor, so I hope it works out for him. Any other thoughts?

Becca: Just a humble, really humble
guy. It's always fun having Josh in. Super humble, super pro-Wisconsin, loves
working with local sponsors, keeps his head down, races hard, and he's a good
guy to have around.

Adam: The combination of humility and
hard work and being a race car driver and a business guy all at the same time —
it's always refreshing.

Becca: I am always pleasantly
surprised every time he talks about the business side of racing. It always
floors me how much time he's putting in just to be able to go out there and
race, let alone the actual time preparing to race physically and mentally with
iRacing and stuff like that. That's the piece of it that I think is just so
understated with some of these smaller-team drivers.

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Race Week: Monday Through Friday

Adam: So how does a race week start
out? What does Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday look like? So you're at Road America
this last weekend running two races. How do you ease into the week, or do you
kind of dive right in?

Josh: So Road America weekend is
really high on my list every year, but it's also the most work. It requires so
much effort, from planning with sponsors and budgets to making sure all of my
guests are taken care of. Obviously, with Wisconsin Lighting Lab on board, you
guys had guests coming up, and making sure you guys are taken care of before I
actually get to the racetrack is very important to me. So the planning for that
race weekend usually starts months prior. This year, we unfortunately had some
sponsorship dilemmas like a month before the race, so I was scratching my head
and working a little bit harder than I would have liked. My race weekend for
Road America probably started last month, or even before that — just planning
budgets, planning who can use our pit passes, because we only get so much.
NASCAR is not very keen to work with us on some of that.

Josh: When it gets to that Monday,
Tuesday of the race week, I try to become just a driver, which is really hard
to do when I manage a lot of my own sponsors and all the guests at the
racetracks. We had, I think, 125 guests total this weekend between Ziegler Auto
Group, Wisconsin Lighting Lab, Gravely, Professional Plating, my family. And I
think about 75 of them probably had pit passes, so we had to buy a bunch of
extra.

Adam: I feel bad about bugging you
then when I got there on Friday.

Josh: No. Every sponsor is just, how
come I can't get into the pits? And I'm glad you were taken care of. But that's
one perk to Spire Motorsports this year — they have PR people and people in
place to kind of help when I'm driving, because the double-duty race weekends
are pretty tough for me. Especially Saturdays — I'm on track in the Cup Series
practicing Saturday morning, qualify right away after, and then I have an hour
to eat and debrief about practicing and qualifying. And Friday too — Friday
qualifying.

Josh: Anyways, to answer your question
— my Monday, Tuesday, I try to just be a driver. Try to study old film, do a
lot of iRacing. I prepped out in iRacing a lot. As a matter of fact, I actually
ran iRacing after the race weekend too, and it is crazy how accurate the
braking points are, the turning points, the reference points. It is pretty
cool.

iRacing Accuracy

Adam: I saw the video you posted on
Instagram. I shot you a message because I thought you were going pretty deep
into that video, into Turn 5. How close was that in reality?

Josh: Braking points were actually
very, very close. Very identical in a Cup Series car. Now, the Cup cars in
iRacing were a lot faster, so I don't know where they're making speed — I think
just carrying more corner speed, and track conditions change a lot in iRacing.
But as far as braking points and reference points on iRacing, it was almost
spot-on. So for Turn 5 — on iRacing, I was braking at the four marker. And the
Next Gen car, which is a lot deeper than any other NASCAR race car — it's the
same weight, this car is the same weight but has bigger brakes, it's probably a
little bit heavier than last year's car, but has much bigger brakes — so in
real life, every lap I was braking at the four marker.

Josh: Turn 1 — going into Turn 1, I
was using either pit-out, where basically the wall ends, where there's the
access road. In the Xfinity car, my braking point going into Turn 1 is
pit-road-out where that wall ends. The Cup car, my braking point was actually the
access road. So you kind of find a balance. But on iRacing, again, very, very
close to where it was in real life. So my Monday, Tuesday, I just try to study
as much film as I can, watch as much, play as much iRacing as I can, and just
kind of clear my mind.

Xfinity vs. Cup: Shifting Between Cars

Adam: One of the things I found
interesting was the Xfinity cars were faster than the Cup cars. And I was
wondering, in the Xfinity car you have an H-pattern transmission, the Cup cars
have an X-Trac transmission — so it's sequential. Even in vintage weekends and
vintage events, when you're running multiple cars, it can be tough to go back
and forth. How do you prepare to do both cars for this type of weekend when
Road America is so busy?

Josh: So actually, I was in a
competition meeting with my team, Spire Motorsports, on Tuesday after the race
weekend. My teammate, Corey LaJoie — he's a very well-known driver — he
struggled really bad on the road course at the beginning of the weekend, and then
by the end of the Cup race he was really fast. My team and some of our advisors
were asking me how running the Xfinity car helped me. For me, being at Road
America — it always helps to have laps. I have more laps at Road America than I
think almost any other driver in the NASCAR field. But for somebody like Corey
LaJoie, or even myself at Indy, where I haven't raced at Indy very much — it
helps us just get accustomed to the track again, because with the short
practice, we have 15–20-minute practice sessions and we go right to qualifying
afterwards.

Josh: We used to have three
one-hour-long practice sessions. We don't have that anymore. We have 20
minutes. You have to run as hard as you can for all 20 minutes to see what your
car is going to do, and just to have that extra seat time helps. Now, the cars
do feel a lot different. The new Next Gen car has different brakes, it has a
sequential shifter, it has a different steering rack — well, the Xfinity car
has a steering box, the Cup car has a steering rack. And that whole aero — the
aero's all different, with the big diffuser on the back of that Cup car. So
they drive a lot different. But at the end of the day, they're still race cars.
I think you notice it a lot more when you're running an oval — how they drive
on an oval is completely different. On a road course, they still feel like big,
heavy stock cars.

Adam: Did you make any mistakes
shifting?

Josh: No, I didn't. Nope, not at all.
The biggest issue actually in the Xfinity car is wheel hop. I'm not sure if
you've ever had wheel hop — it's not fun. The Cup car, you don't have any wheel
hop. As a matter of fact, the Cup car — the brakes are so good, sometimes the
brakes are better than the tires. So you actually have a lot of sway in the
rear end of the Cup car because the brakes are just better than the tires. The
Xfinity car, occasionally you'll have a lot of wheel hop, probably in part
because the steel wheels are so much heavier. And in the Cup car, they're
aluminum.

Josh: I didn't miss a shift, knock on
wood. But you have seen some drivers go back and forth and it ended the race.
Tyler Reddick, who won the Cup race on Sunday — practicing in the Xfinity car,
he missed a shift. It's not very uncommon for that to happen.

Adam: When we were in line getting our
credentials, we were talking to some guy from X-Trac — the transmission company
for the Cup cars. We were picking his brain on how the transmission is holding
up and what other series they're in. He said they really haven't had too many
issues with the X-Trac this year, other than — he said Denny Hamlin must have
done an upshift when he should have done a downshift, because his brain goes
back to it being an H-pattern.

Josh: So we were at Las Vegas. He was
coming out of the pits, from second to third gear. In the sequential pattern
gearbox, you go from second to third — you're going back up. Well, he went from
second to first instead of second to third. He pushed it forward instead of
pulling it back. And it ended his race — it blew up the engine. The only time
that's happened in the Cup Series. I haven't had that problem yet because I've
driven a lot of cars with that sequential gearbox.

Qualifying & Tire Warm-Up

Adam: And you did really well in
qualifying on Friday. That was fun to watch. I got back from the track and I
put it on — you were 1.3 seconds away from making the top 10.

Josh: That was in the Xfinity car. In
practice, we were 12th. I think we had a really good car. I felt really good
about qualifying to the top 10, but we had some brake problems at the end of
practice, so I was a little hesitant on my qualifying lap. Especially the first
half a lap — the track is so long, and the tires fall off two to three seconds
by the end of their life. So that first out-lap in qualifying is basically one
lap and that's it. That's what the tires have. So the first out-lap, you're
going really, really slow. I never got on the brakes really hard until going
into Turn 1 on my actual lap. I was probably about 100 feet too early — that
was since probably two tenths right there. Going to Turn 3, I was probably a
little bit too early too. I guarantee I gave up three or four tenths just in
the first half the lap under braking. The last half the lap, I knew the brakes
were good, so I pushed as hard as I could. Had I pushed that maximum potential
of the car the whole lap, I think we would have probably been half a second up.

Josh: Both team cars really ran really
well. 12th — my teammate Sage Karam, and then 13th myself. So that was our
team's best qualifying effort of the year as a whole with both cars. I'm just a
little disappointed to not get in the top 10, because I think it was definitely
possible.

Adam: One thing I was wondering — when
you guys come out of the pits on fresh tires, how long does it take for the
tires to get up to temp? I know when we're racing over there, you can go a
whole lap on the warm-up lap and the pace laps, scrub tires in as much as
possible, on the brakes, off the brakes, trying to bring things up to temp, and
it still takes another lap essentially.

Josh: It's about a lap basically. If
you're under green conditions and you exit the pits, by the time you come past
the start/finish line the next lap, they should be up to temperature. You
definitely feel it in some of the slower corners — Turn 3, Turn 5 — it just
doesn't want to turn. It's not so much a drive-off issue, it's not so much rear
tires, it's more of the front tires. But these cars are so heavy that they do
generate heat into the tires really quick.

Stage Points & Chase Elliott

Adam: Was it Stage 1 — you came out of
the pits, or Chase came out of the pits pretty close to you? Did you end up
getting around him?

Josh: So in the Cup Series race, some
of the top drivers pit, and I think Chase — I think he was in the lead when he
pitted. So he came out right behind me, right behind, and he had fresh tires.
He was just going to ride — we were going to score stage points. But Kyle
Larson was not too far from him, he was pressuring Chase. Obviously if he would
have got around Chase by the time they took the green flag to start the second
stage, Kyle Larson would have been in the lead. So they started racing a little
bit harder, and they had fresh tires and I had not-fresh tires. They just drove
around me. Unfortunately, we didn't get the stage points that we wanted. But I
think we should have.

Xfinity Race: Up and Down

Adam: What are some of the highlights
from the Xfinity race on Saturday?

Josh: It was such an up-and-down day
for us. We qualified 13th, and before we knew it, by the end of Stage 1, we
were into the top 10 — I think we were running 8th, and that was off speed. We
had a really good car, really fast car. It was the best car I've ever had. It
was a caution with two laps to go in Stage 1, and at the end of the stage,
unfortunately under caution, I didn't even know, but I ran over something and
our right rear tire went flat. So we had to pit before the caution, or before
the stage end even came out. We lost those stage points. Because we pitted when
the pits were closed, we had to start dead last, which I think at that time was
like 32nd, 33rd. Worked our way back all the way up to the top 15. And then we
were in that big massive wreck on the back stretch, in the middle of the track,
around Turn 4.

The Sargento Sign Incident

Josh: And I picked up a Sargento sign.
So that was probably a highlight of the weekend. If you ask anybody on social
media, they're going to tell you that was probably a highlight of the weekend.

Adam: So that's a guaranteed
sponsorship for next year.

Josh: I will say, they actually just
called me on the way here — swear to God. Tuesday, right away, I put together a
marketing deck. Actually, Monday, I put together a marketing deck, sent it off
Tuesday. Strike while the iron is hot. They've actually had some fun with it on
social media too. Sargento changed their background picture on their Facebook
and on their Twitter. And then when they changed it back to whatever it was
previously, there were a bunch of NASCAR fans that were not too happy with
that. I commented on it. I think it's a fun — I mean, I think it's fun. But
that was probably the highlight of the Xfinity race.

Josh: We battled back. We ended up
having more up and down after that wreck, but we finished 13th. So I think that
was a respectable finish.

Preparing for Wrecks

Adam: Do you mentally prepare yourself
for wrecks like that? Because that wreck had potential to be about as bad as it
gets. The track is very narrow, there's a small patch of grass on both sides,
it was shortly after a caution. Do you go through the motions in your head on
what you'll do in that type of situation, or do you just kind of go with the
flow?

Josh: I did not expect a wreck right
there. There's no spotters there. And usually you never see a wreck on that
straightaway. I've only seen one, and that was in a vintage race.

Adam: I think a Corvette, yeah.

Josh: So I never mentally prepare for
that. I mentally prepare for getting the kink at 120, or getting shipped off in
a corner by somebody behind me who either loses brakes or is just driving over
their head. Like, if I'm Noah Gragson — who Noah is a friend of mine — I would
not have done that move. If I'm mad at Sage Karam, who's my teammate, I would
have just shipped him in the corner, pushed him straight off and let him fall
back to 30th, and not run out 10 other cars. I mean, that hurt some other
drivers, their cars, their budgets.

Josh: I'm just lucky that I got hit in
the rear, just enough to scoot me off track to the left. Everything was to the
right. The track was blocked. Everything to the right. And the grass was
blocked. So I am very lucky I didn't go right, because had I gone right, it
would have 100% ended our day and it would have been a hard hit.

Adam: What is the amount of time
between when you first see dust flying, you see cars spinning, and when you get
hit?

Josh: I was probably 13th or 14th in
line when it happened. I saw a bunch of dust, but I saw nobody really check up,
so I let off the throttle a little bit. Before you know it, I see cars ahead of
me going sideways, and I saw one car actually go airborne — that was Landon
Cassill. That's when I got on the brakes really hard. I slowed down faster than
the cars behind me, and that's why they hit me. It happened so fast — it was
probably two or three seconds and then I'm already out of the mess.

Josh: Then you get hit, you veer to
the left — the car that hit me was John Hunter. He hit my left rear quarter
panel — I think it turned me left. We ended up actually going side by side too.
I hit the wall pretty hard, took out that Sargento sign, and then I picked up
the sign. I saw you were trying to get rid of it all the way into Turn 5.

Adam: And I was just shocked that the
sign — it must have almost attached to the car.

Josh: The cars do have kind of a point
in the nose, so it kind of bent around the car a little bit. But I thought that
I could kind of weave the car and it could come off one of the sides, but it
didn't do that. When it first happened, when I was in the grass and I hit that
sign, I actually thought that I hit another car and I thought it crumpled the
hood. I thought the front of our car was destroyed, because it was all dust,
grass everywhere. I didn't know what I did. I didn't even think about the sign.
So I already go to my team while I'm in the grass: I think we're done, we're in
this wreck, we're done. My team is freaking out. I get back on pavement and I'm
like, actually, my nose is here, my hood — I can still see. What is this flat
thing? It's a sign. So now I've got to get it off. The next problem is, it's
going to block all the air intake and the car is going to overheat. Luckily I
went around Turn 5, put it in reverse, backed up, it just dropped.

Adam: You stopped? Oh yeah, you
actually went into reverse.

Josh: It fell straight. And I made
sure I didn't run over the top of it. I looked at my rearview mirror and saw it
go flying behind me. I was hoping somebody would have that on video.

The Jeb Burton Incident & Rest of the Xfinity Race

Adam: And then later in the race, you
got spun in Turn 13/14.

Josh: Talk about an up-and-down day.
We were back, I think, into the top 15. I was racing Jeb Burton, who I respect
— Jeb's a buddy of mine. I don't think he liked how hard I was racing him, but
I was a lot faster than him. Every time I would get to his outside or his
inside, he would just race me really ridiculously. So I shoved my nose going
into Turn 13. We were side by side going through 13, and I had the preferred
line through 13. But once you get to 14, you're on the outside, and that's not
preferred. So he just completely closed the door on me and pushed me off track.
I didn't respect that move.

Josh: But we came back. Actually,
later in the race — I think the second-to-last lap — he spun himself out. He
just overcooked into Turn 12 and just spun himself. So I'm like, all right,
well, that took care of itself.

Types of Drivers in the Xfinity Series

Adam: As a guy that's driven a few
race cars in amateur racing, I always think about what it would be like to run
pro. In an Xfinity race, what different types of drivers are out there? Are
there super congenial drivers? There are drivers that seem like they're out for
blood in every single corner. How many different categories of drivers? And do
you have every car number and driver memorized before the weekend so you know
who is around you at all times?

Josh: Mostly, yes. In the Xfinity
Series, you have one of every kind of driver. You have the guy that's going out
there to race for the win every single weekend and he'll wreck the field if he
has to — and you saw that this weekend. You have the drivers who are kind of
like myself, who are a little bit more reserved but know when the time is to
go. You have the drivers in between that. And then you have the guys who you
just want to stay away from, because even though they might not mean to wreck
you, they might accidentally wreck you because they're not that good on a road
course or just on an oval.

Josh: So you have each category of
driver in the Xfinity Series. In my opinion, that's probably why the Xfinity
Series is so fun to watch. The Cup Series, everybody is so good, nobody barely
makes mistakes. This year, you've seen a little bit more mistakes than the past
— new car. These cars are really edgy in the Cup Series. Kyle Busch spun out by
himself — no other car by him. Ryan Blaney spun out by himself. In the Cup
Series, these cars used to be kind of glued to the track. The Xfinity Series —
there's a lot of mistakes, a lot of attrition, a lot of aggression.

Adam: I thought the Saturday race was
probably a little bit more exciting as a fan. It was great. The race on Sunday
was fun too, but they're only stage cautions. And Sunday seemed to be a lot
more spaced out — like a sports car race.

Josh: In the Xfinity Series, there's a
lot more cautions, but it's a lot closer racing too. It's almost like a Miata
race — there's racing going on for 30th. In the Xfinity Series, the racing is
going on for 20th, but they're all really tight and close. I think that's what
makes Xfinity Series fun to watch, at least this weekend.

Cup Race: Power Steering Failure

Adam: So what happened on Sunday with
the car?

Josh: We had a good car, good
qualifying effort — the best qualifying effort I've had all year. We were
racing Kevin Harvick really hard in Stage 1, which I thought was exciting. He
ended up finishing 10th, so that shows that we had a good car. Unfortunately, at
the start of Stage 2, we had a power steering pump leak. It was just a parts
failure — a little tiny O-ring that failed. Unfortunately, that happened to my
teammate a couple weeks prior to that in Sonoma. So we've had a lot of small
little issues with this rack-and-pinion steering system in this car. Not just
us, either — the Hendrick cars, like Chase Elliott, had something wrong with
his steering the whole Road America race.

Adam: So what was happening? Was it
taking on air, or what did the team say?

Josh: Mine was just leaking all the
fluid. It ended up being really notchy — gears on gears, yes. It would be
really difficult to drive because it wouldn't go past a certain degree of
steering angle, and then it would just break free and go too far. That made it
really difficult to drive. You're using a lot of force in the steering, you
don't have power steering, and then when it just kind of breaks free, it was a
little scary, a little tough. Unfortunately, that was not the Cup race we had
liked. Last year we finished 23rd, and that was a good race — we passed three
cars on the last lap. I was hoping we could at least beat that and get a top 20
or top 15. Like I said, Kevin Harvick finished 10th and we were racing pretty
hard in Stage 1. So who knows what might have been had we not had that issue.

Road Courses & NASCAR's Future

Adam: Do you see NASCAR continuing to
invest in road racing? Do you see more road courses being put on the schedule?
I know there's rumors about Chicago — downtown.

Josh: I think that's going to happen.
As a matter of fact, I think it's about 99% that's going to happen. Now, I hope
that's not at the expense of a proper racetrack like Road America. We go to
multiple tracks — Richmond, Kansas, twice — that I think only deserve one date.
I think a lot of the garage, a lot of the industry, feel that way too. Road
America, with it being on the Fourth of July these last two years, has been
such a great turnout, such a great crowd. All the industry loves it, all the
drivers — every driver I've talked to loves Road America. So to lose Road
America for a street circuit, I would feel pretty devastated about that. But I
do think a street circuit would be good. I think it'd be pretty cool. iRacing
has already kind of laser-scanned that track, and we actually ran that
configuration. I raced and we finished second. My teammate James Davison, who
is a ridiculously good iRacer. At least it's going to be interesting if they do
it. I just hope it's not at the expense of Road America.

Adam: Why do you think they would get
rid of Road America? We're biased — we're 25 miles from Road America right now.
But there were hundreds of thousands of people there, it was a beautiful
weekend. The drivers like it. Is it a contract and a money issue?

Josh: It's a lot of politics. NASCAR
doesn't own the track — most of the tracks NASCAR goes to, NASCAR owns. NASCAR
doesn't own Road America. So I think it's a lot of politics, a lot of behind
the scenes going on. Road America — I love Road America, but sometimes
management there is not that easy to deal with too. It could be something
behind the scenes. Maybe Road America wants too much money, and now we have the
street circuit — Chicago is willing to pay for that. There's a lot of politics
that go on behind the scenes. I'm not too sure. It's unfortunate. But I hope
that we're back next year.

Season Update & Spire Motorsports

Adam: How's the rest of the season
going? How's the new team?

Josh: Unfortunately, the Cup Series
season these last couple weeks has been really rough. We blew up in Nashville.
Sonoma, we got spun, and the strategy just never worked out. We started the
season pretty good. We had an 8th place at Daytona in the Xfinity Series. We
capped that off with a couple good runs in the Cup Series. The Xfinity Series
races that I've run this year have all been really fun. A lot of fun, whether
it's an oval or a road course. The Cup races — we've actually taken a step back
unfortunately since then. It's not really speed-wise, it's just mechanical
failures. We blew up at Nashville two weeks ago — that was the first time all
year that we had an engine issue. Sonoma, a couple weeks prior, we got spun
out.

Josh: I'm out of the car this weekend.
Landon Cassill is going to drive Atlanta. But I come back in New Hampshire,
then Pocono, then Indy road course, and then Michigan. So I got four more races
coming up with the Spire number 77 car. We're looking to hopefully have a
strong result at all four of those races.

Adam: What do you think of Indy, the
Indy road course?

Josh: I love the Indy road course. I'm
a road course guy. So I want all the road courses I can get. I do think it'd be
cool to kind of have a doubleheader weekend though, if there's a way you can
race on the Indy road course one day on Saturday and then race the Brickyard,
the normal oval, on Sunday. I think that would be really cool.

Adam: Do they still run the Brickyard?

Josh: They don't. This is the new
Brickyard now. I don't know what's going to happen next year. Maybe they go
back to the oval. But as a road course racer at heart, I'm okay with that. I
love the road course.

Business Side & Sargento Follow-Up

Adam: What else is going on? Anything
interesting to go through? Are you still kind of coming off the Road America
weekend?

Josh: I'm coming off the Road America
weekend. Just making whatever I can out of the Sargento deal. Every single
interview I've given — I gave an interview with a local news station today that
asked me about the Sargento deal. Between that and just trying to make
everybody happy with my sponsors and making sure that we're taken care of for
the rest of the season — it's a lot of work. There's a lot of business that
goes on behind the scene. No breaks. And to be honest, I think I feel more
pressure this year off the track, in the business part of the sport, than I do
on track. That's consumed a lot of my life, probably a little bit more than I
would have liked. Getting to the racetrack, you forget about most of the
business and you just focus on driving. This off weekend unfortunately won't be
too fun, but I'll be back in the car next weekend.

Josh: Besides that, we're already
looking at next year. Hopefully I'll be back full-time at Spire.

Adam: That would be really fun, really
cool.

Josh: And hopefully we can elevate our
program just a little bit and be exactly how the team deserves to be.

Wrap-Up

Adam: Well, man, thanks a lot for
having us at Road America. It was fun. Thanks for making sure there was good
weather too.

Josh: I got a little bit of a sunburn.
But there was a lot of fun. There was a little bit of rain — the rain on
Saturday held out until after the race.

Adam: Yeah, it was uh — probably
around 7 or 8 o'clock. It was actually during the Trans Am TA1 race. I watched
the TA1 race, and it started raining pretty heavily on the back side, then
started raining everywhere for about an hour, and then it dissipated. It was
dry the rest of the weekend. It was a ton of fun.

Josh: Well, I appreciate it. I
appreciate your support. Without you, that Xfinity ride wouldn't have been
possible. So that was really special to have you guys there.

Adam: Glad to help out. Thanks for
coming by.

Josh: Thank you, Adam.